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3 other cities fight it out for the con!

Zack Young | July 13, 2009 | 5:59 PM

Via San Diego News Network

Los Angeles, Anaheim and Las Vegas are trading punches with San Diego in the fight for Comic-Con, the mega-entertainment event that currently calls San Diego home.

Managers from the Los Angeles Convention and Visitors Bureau (LACVB), Anaheim/Orange County Visitor & Convention Bureau (AOCVCB) and the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority (LVCVA) all confirmed they have been actively pursuing Comic-Con organizers to possibly relocate to their cities.

“There’s no question that we have pursued that business,” said Michael Krouse, senior vice president sales at LACVB. “We would just be foolish not to. It’s a perfect piece of business for us.”

“We continue to be in talks with the Comic-Con staff,” said Elaine Cali, a spokesperson for Anaheim/Orange County Visitors Bureau.

“We have had conversations with management of Comic-Con,” said Jeremy Handel, a spokesperson for LVCVA.

But all three said nothing concrete had come of talks with Comic-Con.

San Diego continues to win this year’s round. Comic-Con takes place at the San Diego Convention Center this year from July 23-26, with a sold-out crowd of 126,000 participants. But space is limited and the City is pushing to expand.

By contract, the San Diego Convention Center has the homegrown event locked in through 2012. After that, it’s anyone’s game.

That’s why other cities have been wooing the lucrative event since at least 2007, and continue to maintain contact each year.

Convention managers at Los Angeles and Las Vegas boast a mixed bag of advantages over San Diego:
— larger convention facilities
— more seating halls
— greater parking capacity
— more hotel selection
— competitive prices.

The Packed San Diego Convention Center

The Packed San Diego Convention Center

Los Angeles

Los Angeles managers hosted Comic-Con organizers for a tour of the facilities in late 2007, said Krouse. Since then, LACVB has had a dedicated manager for the account and staff members who visit the San Diego event each year.

“We have never stopped pursuing them,” Krouse said.

Krouse said Los Angeles’ main advantage is space, allowing Comic-Con to grow far beyond its current limits in San Diego.

Los Angeles’ larger capacity

The area surrounding the convention center, called L.A. Live, spans 27 acres. The one-block radius of the convention center also creates a “campus” for convention-goers. Krouse said the total capacity would enable Comic-Con to add up to 20,000 more attendees than at the San Diego Convention Center.

The Los Angeles facilities include:

— L.A. Convention Center, with 1 million square feet

— Staples Center, a 20,000-seat hall where the Michael Jackson memorial was held

— Nokia Theater, a 7100-seat hall where American Idol finals take place

— Nokia Plaza, an outdoor area which holds up to 40,000 people, for events such as the Grammy and Emmy award ceremonies

Comic-Con at the San Diego Convention Center is maxed out at 126,000 attendees. (Photo courtesy San Diego Convention Center)
— Parking capacity of 20,000 within an eight-minute walk

— A large dining district

— A chain of 14 cinema halls

— Hotels with 5,000 rooms within eight blocks

— Hotels with about 94,000 rooms in Los Angeles County

— An underground subway linking to outlying areas

“We would allow them the ability to expand,” Krouse said. “Being the entertainment capital of the world, that’s a big selling benefit to an organization like Comic-Con.”

Los Angeles lower price

The price for all this?

“$1,000 for the entire length of the stay,” Krouse said.

Huh?

“The convention center discount policy allows us to provide the convention center for $1,000,” he said.

The caveat: “They have to produce sleeping rooms,” Krouse said. The city allows the convention center to sell at a deep discount for events that promise a large number of hotel guests.

“It’s all about tax revenue,” Krouse said. “It presents a great business opportunity for us from a tax point of view.”

Hotel room tax in Los Angeles is 14 percent — compared to San Diego’s 10.5 percent. Consumer sales tax is 9.75 percent — 1.50 percent more than the State sales tax, and 2 percent higher than San Diego’s 7.75 percent.

Krouse noted that Comic-Con pays “significantly more” rent at the San Diego Convention Center.

Los Angeles related events

As more Hollywood producers launch movies at Comic-Con, the event has grown in importance to the entertainment industry as a whole. This makes Los Angeles an ideal location, said Krouse.

In addition, Los Angeles also has the advantage of hosting other synergistic events, said Krouse. These include:

— Anime Expo, a convention that draws 50,000 attendees, produced by the Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation

If you were Comic-Con, which city would you choose? (Graphic by Steven Bartholow)
— E3 Expo, an event attracting 50,000 participants, for the entertainment and gaming software industry.

“They all have crossover because they do gaming related to anime, gaming related to software,” said Krouse. “That’s why the entertainment connection is so important to these shows.”

Las Vegas

Comic-Con has also considered Las Vegas as a possible new location, said Handel, an LACVA spokesperson. Comic-Con organizers contacted LACVA to find out about possibilities in summer 2008, and LACVA sent a manager to visit the San Diego event that year.

LACVA also has a sales manager assigned to the account, with some discussion continuing in winter 2008, said Handel. But so far, “there has been no formal development,” he said.

Las Vegas has the capacity and experience for Comic-Con to grow, said Handel.

Las Vegas facilities

The City’s facilities include:

— Las Vegas Convention Center, with 2 million square feet

— Sands Expo and Convention Center, with 1.5 million square feet

— Mandalay Bay Convention Center, with 1.5 million square feet

— Four-mile hotel corridor with numerous ballrooms, meetings and theater space.

— Citywide exhibition and meeting space of 10 million square feet

— Hotel rooms with 140,000 units citywide

Tax rates in Las Vegas are lower than Los Angeles, though still higher than San Diego. The hotel tax is 12 percent; sales tax is 8.1 percent.

The convention center is also more expensive. At 29 cents per square foot, it costs $580,000 per day to rent out the entire two-million-square-foot center. That’s $2.32 million for four days.

“We’re a public facility, so we don’t have the opportunity to negotiate the rates,” said Handel. But private convention centers can negotiate, he added.

Las Vegas trade show experience

Las Vegas also has experience in hosting trade shows, said Handel. The city ranks number one in number of trade shows per year in the U.S., including many broadcast and magic industry shows, he said.

“We’re the trade show capital of the world,” Handel said.

The Las Vegas visitors’ bureau has maintained contact with Comic-Con.

“It would be a great experience for Las Vegas, as well as Comic-Con to bring in a show of that size and that nature,” Handel said.

Anaheim

The Anaheim Convention Center in Orange County has been discussion with Comic-Con for more than a decade, said Elaine Cali, a spokesperson for AOCVCB.

“It’s been an ongoing conversation,” she said.

Although the convention square footage is large — 1.6 million square feet — the number of attendees is limited to 90,000 over four days, smaller than the San Diego Convention Center. The number of hotel rooms in the county is also comparable to San Diego — 55,000.

One of the advantages of Anaheim is the variety of hotel price points for visitors – ranging from family-affordable to deluxe accommodations, said Cali.

L.A. also had this advantage. In contrast, San Diego visitors tend to have fewer options for affordable hotel rooms, Krouse said.

Graphic by Steven Bartholow

Graphic by Steven Bartholow

By: Helen Kaiao Chang

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5 Responses to “3 other cities fight it out for the con!”

  1. Marsia says:
    July 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM

    I live in LA and would not want Comic Con here. The area around the Convention Center is dangerous at night time, the few local restaurants near the CC are way too expensive (and to quote hubby “when Marsia says something is too expensive…” and you can’t walk around even in the daytime due to bums, druggies and gang bangers. I won’t go there and I’m an old New Yorker who hung out in the Bronx.

    Going to the beach or any interesting location will be impossible due to the horrible traffic jams and everything is 20+ miles away plus you have to pay for parking. Shuttles will be impossible due to the way LA is spread out. I can’t go from the Valley to downtown via public transit unless I want to spead 1.5+ hours each way, let alone all the way to the CC. And then most of the people who are paying for hotels in San Diego won’t need to in LA because we’ll go drive home each night. So that blows off the “fill up hotel rooms, get the CC for $1,000″ concept. Oh, and when people coming to Los Angeles ask where to stay, I tell them the hell away from downtown.

    Short version: LA is too expensive, unsafe and nothing of fun is in walking distance to the CC.

    Anaheim: Similar to LA, except safer.

    Both Anaheim and Los Angeles are too spread out. San Diego worked to make the downtown a hub of activity and unlike LA, the downtown is alive.

    Going to San Diego is an event unto itself. All of San Diego is Comic Con. Everything is in walking distance and you can use public transportation (again, LA’s is near non-existent) to and from your hotel if need be. The clean beaches are nearby, restaurants of all price ranges, and you can walk around downtown with fear of being stabbed or shot because you wore the wrong colors or looked and someone the wrong way. San Diego during Comic Con is a party town and fun, even if you just walk around. There is absolutely nothing to look at or do downtown in Los Angeles.

  2. Al says:
    July 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM

    I totally agree with Marsia

    Here’s why Las Vegas is a bad idea:
    IAll those Comic Con fans in their costumes in that heat? Not gonna happen.

  3. Aaron says:
    July 14, 2009 at 11:36 AM

    As someone who lives in LA, I’d say “WOW! Marsia was having a bad day!” I used to live downtown, before there was LA Live, The Walt Disney Concert Hall, etc and yes, in 1995 it wasn’t not a lot of fun, but that has really changed.

    I was recently there for the Auto Show, I go downtown frequently for concerts and other events and it’s not scary. No, you don’t wander down to Skid Row at 2am, but you don’t do that in San Diego either. Get on the wrong tram in San Diego (which is easy to do because of the color coding/train color/sinage conflicts) and you end up in a bad area as well. Wander a little too far towards the stadium in San Diego, also bad neighborhood. Every city has its issues.

    No, the beach is not walkable, but Hollywood is about 25-40 min away (depending on time of day) by car– however there’s a SUBWAY that runs from downtown right to Hollywood and Highland so you can check out Mann’s Chinese Theater, walk up to the Hollywood Bowl, even take a shuttle from there to Griffith Park Observatory. Continue on that Subway and you come out at Universal Studios with CityWalk (an outdoor shopping/eating district with Imax theater).

    But, if you want to stay in downtown LA there’s a LOT to do within a shuttles ride, or a walk:

    The Grand Central Market – Any kind of food you could possibly want

    Little Tokyo, some very cool anime stores

    There’s Olvera Street – A Mexican marketplace and the oldest residence in LA. Again, great food!

    Free Summer Concerts at California Plaza, they recently had the music of Battlestar Galactica with some of the cast members showing up.

    The Walt Disney Concert Hall. Even if there’s not a concert they have a great architectural tour

    Across the street is MOCA, the Museum of Contemporary Art. The art museum in San Diego left downtown and went to LaJolla.

    There’s movie theaters, a GIANT Library where Ray Brabury wrote a lot of his work and speaking of Bradbury, there’s the Bradbury Building where Blade Runner was filmed.

    And of course the new LA Live with restaurants, Staples Center, hotels, etc.

    “And then most of the people who are paying for hotels in San Diego won’t need to in LA because we’ll go drive home each night. So that blows off the “fill up hotel rooms, get the CC for $1,000″ concept.” That makes the assumption that the majority of Comic-Con attendees are from LA. Are they? I ran into people from all over the country and all over the world at CC last year.

    And I agree with Al, heat + spandex = ugly!

  4. Archie says:
    July 21, 2009 at 10:43 PM

    Why not expand Comic-Con in terms of DAYS? They can expand it to 5 days, 6 days, 7 days, etc.

  5. machoman says:
    August 8, 2009 at 11:41 PM

    thank you! I really liked this post!

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